Monday, January 27, 2014

FL - Police Chief Lisa Womack Resigns After LPD No-Confidence Vote

Lisa Womack
Lisa Womack
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What do you expect? It's Florida, home of a ton of police officers committing sexual crimes.


By John Chambliss, Jeremy Maready & Rick Rousos

LAKELAND - Police Chief Lisa Womack resigned Friday, two days after a no-confidence vote by Lakeland Police Department employees.

In a message to City Manager Doug Thomas, the chief wrote she was quitting, effective May 1, because it was the best thing for her and her family.

Her resignation comes after a year in which the department faced the most widespread scandal in its history — a sweeping sexual-misconduct investigation — criminal cases fouled by search and reporting procedures, the arrest of an officer on charges he sexually abused and stalked a woman while on duty, and a grand jury investigation into problems with Womack and the department's handling of public records. In all, 27 LPD employees have been disciplined, including about a dozen officers who resigned in lieu of termination and three who were fired.

Thomas said Friday he will conduct a national search for a new chief and that one of the department's assistant chiefs, Larry Giddens or Mike Link, will be appointed interim chief after Womack leaves.

Womack, 48, did not attend the press conference and did not return a phone message.

Despite the recent no-confidence vote, Thomas said during a Friday news conference he never asked Womack to resign.

Thomas said Womack requested to stay until May so she can complete outstanding legal matters at the department, such as grievances and arbitration.

"I don't think many can fault her for her thinking it's time to move on," he said after the news conference. "It's not a surprise it has taken a toll on her personally."

SWEDEN - Crime records go online in Sweden amid protests

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A website that lets Swedes check each other's criminal records has sparked a debate about the privacy of ex-convicts and their right to move on with their lives.

Such databases are available in the United States, but aren't common in Europe, where privacy protection laws are typically stricter.

By searching the Lexbase database, launched Monday by a Swedish company, users can instantly find out whether a person has been convicted of a crime in the past five years. A fee is required to get more information.

Lexbase has a map with dots showing where convicted criminals live and plans to offer a mobile app alerting users when they enter a neighborhood with a high proportion of residents with criminal records.

Though such records are public in Sweden, critics said making them so easily accessible could prompt vigilantism against people who have already served their sentences and make it harder for them to re-enter society.

Thomas Andersson, a spokesman for ECPAT, an organization that fights the sexual exploitation of children, said the service could lead to "increased social alienation" for offenders, increasing the risk of recidivism.

Lexbase spokesman Pontus Ljunggren said he believes the database will help create a more secure and transparent society.

"We believe the benefits far outweigh the potential damages, which we believe will be very small," he said.

Soren Oman, director of the Stockholm Center for Commercial Law, said the website cannot be held liable under Sweden's data protection laws because it has been granted a publishing license that gives it constitutional protection.

However, he said it could potentially be exposed to defamation lawsuits because vilifying information can be considered defamatory under Swedish law even if it's not untrue.

NH - Bill seeks to fight sexual abuse through education

Emily Murphy
Emily Murphy
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Education is the key to putting a dent in sexual abuse, and we support that, but not bogus statistics and fear mongering to get elected or to look "tough" on crime.


By Suzanne Laurent

In an effort to empower school-age children to recognize the signs of sexual abuse — and to break the silence surrounding it — Sen. David Watters, D-Dover, will introduce a bill Tuesday to establish a commission to study sexual abuse prevention education from kindergarten through grade 12.

Senate Bill 348 (PDF) will bring together parents, educators, representatives of state education, health and law enforcement agencies, legislators, and experts from Sexual Assault Support Services of New Hampshire and the New Hampshire Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence to make recommendations to the legislature.

President Obama recently reported that 20 percent of undergrads are victims of sexual assault,” Watters said by phone Monday. “We need to start prevention at an earlier age.”

The White House Council on Women and Girls' “Rape and Sexual Assault: A New Call to Action,” reported earlier this month that nearly half of female survivors were raped before they were 18, and over one-quarter of male survivors were raped before they were 10.
- Where is the White House Council on Men and Boys site?

College students are particularly vulnerable with one in five women sexually assaulted while in college, the report stated.

As a father, I have my own feelings about these numbers,” Watters said. “Our neighboring states, Vermont and Maine, have passed laws or established commissions or task forces to provide age-appropriate education about sexual abuse.”

Watters said these laws were inspired by the advocacy of Erin Merryn for “Erin's Law,” first adopted in her home state of Illinois. The mission of Erin's law is to get education in all 50 states on the prevention of sexual abuse by empowering children with their voice instead of allowing sex offenders to silence them. 

Watters said the bill was drafted when he was approached by Jessica Paradis, a constituent from Somersworth. Paradis is a long-time volunteer at Sexual Assault Support Services, or SASS, who advocated for the bill.

SASS, based in Portsmouth, serves 42 cities and towns in Rockingham and Strafford counties. For more than 25 years, SASS has offered prevention programs in an effort to keep children safe from sexual victimization.

In 2009, SASS merged its prevention education efforts with A Safe Place and created a comprehensive Safe Kids Strong Teens program.

But we are only reaching 10,000 children in grades kindergarten through 12,” said Kathy Beebe, executive director of SASS. “There are 40,000 school-aged kids in this coverage area.”

SASS has two full-time educators during the school year, AmeriCorps volunteers and interns who go out to the schools to administer the prevention curriculum. But SASS is at its capacity and doesn't have the resources to expand.

We are excited at the possibility of this commission,” Beebe said. “It will explore the best practices for bringing more uniformity across the state, more awareness and possibly funding.”

Under Senate Bill 348, New Hampshire's Commission would study the current practices and legislation in other jurisdictions regarding sexual abuse prevention education in elementary and secondary schools.

It will also identify model evidence-based curricula for sexual abuse prevention education and make recommendations for utilizing trained professionals to implement this curricula as well as training for reporting of sexual abuse in schools.

Teachers are already overburdened,” Watters said. “We will study who would be best for implementing this type of education.”

Along these lines, the commission would study opportunities for collaboration with state and local agencies, community-based organizations, and other public and private organizations to provide prevention education services. It will also examine potential funding sources.

Watters said Sen. Martha Fuller Clark, D-Portsmouth, is interested in the commission and has been supportive of the bill.

The hearing for Senate Bill 348 is scheduled for Tuesday morning before the Senate Health, Education, and Human Services Committee. If the bill passes, a final report by the commission would be due July 1, 2015.

KY - Authorities warn parents about Internet predators

Fear mongeringOriginal Article

Educating kids and parents is the key to helping put a dent in sexual abuse, not fear and bogus statistics, not the exploiting of ex-offenders and children for ones own personal gain.

We have no doubt that there are people who use the Internet to commit crimes, but show us the proof of where KNOWN sexual offenders are increasingly using the Internet to target children!

The very laws to "protect" children are ruining their lives!


The Kentucky State Police used their latest episode of KSP-TV (video below) to warn parents about the dangers of Internet predators. The video shares an inside look at the agency’s Electronic Crimes Branch and the intricate work that takes place to protect children from online predators.

KSP spokesman Tpr. Paul Blanton says the Internet has become an important part of everyday life – for information, communication and entertainment.

The most technology receptive segment of our population is young people,” says Blanton. “It’s an unfortunate fact of life that along with the many resources the Internet provides there are also online predators stalking our youth.”

Blanton says the problem with the Internet is that parents can’t see the predators that may be after children. That’s why he says it’s important for parents to talk to their children about what can happen with strangers on social media.

Parents need to be open and honest with their teens. They need to tell them about the dangers that are out there. Sometimes we don’t think our teens listen to us, but they do,” he said.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), there are nearly 750,000 registered sex offenders in the United States. An increasing number of those individuals are utilizing the Internet to find their victims.
- Show us the proof of the statement!

KSP Detective Josh Lawson works in the Electronic Crimes Branch and says a majority of victims of Internet-initiated sex crimes are between the ages of 13 and 15 years old.
- And based on a huge study of this, most are propositioned by their own peers not known registrants or adults.

The key to safeguarding your children is an open line of communication. You want to know who your children are talking to face to face. You wouldn’t let them talk to any stranger on the street, especially about intimate things,” says Lawson. “Why would you let them talk to someone on the Internet about even more intimate things?

In 82 percent of online sex crimes predators used the victim’s social media site to gain information about the youth. Only 18 percent of youth use chat rooms but a majority of the Internet sex crimes are initiated in chat rooms.

Blanton says parents need to set ground rules with their children.

Have the computer in a common room. Know your children’s passwords on social networking sites and talk to your children about what they are doing online,” adds Blanton. “If parents won’t, someone else will and that person could be a sexual predator hiding behind a computer.”

Blanton hopes the KSP-TV video segment will be a tool used by parents and teachers to create an open dialogue with young people about the dangers lurking beyond their computer screens.

The NCMEC recommends the website as another valuable resource for parents and educators to utilize when talking to youth about Internet safety.

ME - Maine Panel Splits on Bill to Expand Sex Offender Registry

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By A.J. Higgins

A legislative committee has issued a split decision on a bill requiring state residents convicted of sex offenses in foreign countries to register as a sex offenders here in Maine. Supporters say the bill is needed because current law provides a loophole for Maine sex offenders whose crimes are committed outside the country. But critics argue there are serious due process issues at stake because the standards for a conviction in a foreign country may not be the same as in the United States. A.J. Higgins has more.

The need for the bill seemed obvious to state Rep. Joyce Maker, a Republican from Calais, a stone's throw from the Canadian border. She says the issue came to her attention during a conversation with someone from Homeland Security, who told her an American convicted of child sexual assault in Canada had been deported back Maine.

But Maker says state law enforcement agencies were not authorized to add his name to the sex offender registry because his conviction occurred outside the U.S.

"It's going to be my focus, I guess here in the Legislature, to try to protect those children that are being sexually abused," she told colleagues, "and this is just one other avenue that they're getting to."

Maker's solution would be to require Maine residents convicted of sex offenses in foreign countries to comply with the provisions of the state Sex Offender Registry Notification Act. The bill received the support of the Calais Police Department last year, but the legislation was carried over to this year's session.

Mark Dion, house chair of the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee, says a 9 to 4 vote by the panel against the legislation reflects lawmakers' concerns over the due process rights of the individual.

"I think the arguments around due process are significant enough that this could get tied up in courts, when what the police chief wants to do tomorrow is make sure his community has been put on notice," Dion said.

The due process issues are very real for the American Civil Liberties Union of Maine that has gone on record against Maker's bill. The ACLU says that, unlike others convicted in Maine and required to register as sex offenders, those with convictions in other countries have not gone through the American criminal justice system and not afforded the same constitutional protections.

As pointed out by the ACLU's Oami Amarasingham, not only would there be concerns that a foreign court would not include adequate criminal defense provisions, in some countries, there might not even be a trial. Those real concerns created a lot of doubt for Dion and other members of the panel, prompting the Portland Democrat to try to find an alternative remedy.

"So rather than see this fall down some sort of legal wormhole, we worked with the chiefs and said, look, they can develop notification policies, they can advise us as to what criteria they would use from the other police agencies in determining whether or not to make a notification," Dion says. "So I think we protect the public safety, we get the word out where it's appropriate. But we don't get hung up being in court trying to determine if it's fair to put somebody on a registry in this state."

Rep. Corey Wilson, an Augusta Republican, says Dion's compromise could provide the kind of protections law enforcement agencies want. But Wilson also worries that without a strong enough message, police agencies might simply choose to avoid community notifications all together.

"I'm afraid that there are going to be police chiefs or county sheriffs that are going to be reluctant to take on this for fear of litigation purposes, where we're dealing with foreign jurisdictions and sort of uncharted territory, where we're not dealing with convictions within this country," Wilson said.

Dion says a minority report on the bill is expected, setting the stage for further debate when the measure reaches the House floor.

NY - Bill seeks to strengthen public lewdness laws

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After three incidences at a Rockland County shopping mall, including one in which a man exposed himself to two young children, Assemblyman Ken Zebrowski, D – New City, has introduced a bill that will strengthen public lewdness penalties.

The bill establishes two new crimes with provisions for sex offender registration. Public lewdness in the second degree includes "intent of sexual gratification," a class A misdemeanor, and public lewdness in the first degree will punish repeat offenders who prey on victims under the age of 14 — a class E felony that will require guilty persons to register as sex offenders. The bill would also make convictions of public lewdness in the first or second degree permanently disqualify offenders from becoming bus drivers.

The legislation was introduced in response to recent "troubling" incidents at the Palisades Mall where individuals have exposed themselves in a disturbing manner to children, Zebrowski said.

"These unsettling incidents highlight a weakness in our laws where horrendous crimes are treated with minor consequences," Zebrowski said. "This is not a crime where I think someone is making a mistake. We needed to update this law across the state but in Clarkstown especially."

In the past six months Clarkstown police have had numerous incidents regarding public lewdness, two of which included repeat offender individuals.

"As the public lewdness law stands now, it is a more serious crime to steal a soda from a grocery store than it is to expose yourself to a child," said Clarkstown Detective John Fredericks.

PA - Former Old Forge chief, captain (Larry Semenza) sentenced for sexual abuse of a 15-year-old female

Larry Semenza
Larry Semenza
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Former Old Forge police chief Larry Semenza has been sentenced to 18 months to four years in prison and must register as a sex offender under Megan's Law for 15 years.

Lackawanna County Judge Vito Geroulo sentenced Semenza, 49, for corruption of a minor, a first-degree misdemeanor, and failing to report child abuse.

Geruolo sentenced former Old Forge police Captain Jamie Krenitsky, 35, to 9 to 23 months in jail and must register as a sex offender for 15 years.

Geruolo sentenced former borough firefighter Walter Chiavacci, 48, to 3 to 18 months. He must also register as a sex offender for 15 years.

Chiavacci and Krenitsky pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault.

All three men were charged in May 2012 after a victim came forward to allege Semenza and the other men had sexually abused her when she was a teenager and volunteer junior firefighter with an Old Forge fire department. The woman claimed she had a romantic relationship with Semenza from 2004 to 2007, starting when she was 15.

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IN - DOC ends local lodging for sex offenders

Brad King
Brad King
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By Douglas Walker

State Department of Correction officials say they are no longer sending recently released sex offenders to Muncie houses

MUNCIE - The Indiana Department of Correction is no longer operating "DOC Assist" homes in Muncie's Old West End neighborhood.

The Star Press reported last June that two adjacent homes in the neighborhood — at 927 S. Elliott St. and 612 S. Elliott St. — for the past two years had been used by the DOC as temporary housing for recently released sex offenders from 11 Hoosier counties who had nowhere else to go.

Concerns raised by the article prompted a sometimes heated meeting last July 24 involving DOC employees, local officials including Mayor Dennis Tyler and Delaware County Prosecutor Jeffrey Arnold, and Old West End residents.

Those living near the houses said they were unhappy they had not been told about the "DOC Assist" program — or the proximity of sex offenders to their families. Tyler, noting the Muncie houses were the only such facilities in the 11-county district, said he didn't want the Old West End viewed as a "dumping ground" for offenders.

In an email exchange with The Star Press on Friday, Victoria Fafata, supervisor of the DOC's 11-county New Castle Parole District, confirmed there were no longer "DOC Assist" facilities in the Old West End, or elsewhere in Muncie or Delaware County.

She also said there were no such houses for recently released offenders in Blackford, Henry, Jay or Randolph counties.

Brad King, president of the Old West End Neighborhood Association (Facebook), said Friday that "neighbors in the area feel bit of a relief," but said they were also concerned about "residential opportunities, job opportunities and support networks for the paroled sex offenders in Muncie and Delaware County."

King, who moderated the July meeting with DOC officials, said it was "never the intention of the neighborhood association to shut down this housing opportunity, but to make sure everyone was aware, safe, compliant with the law and situations like this were as transparent as possible."

Tyler on Saturday said he was "really happy for the Old West End residents."

"I know they felt like a dumping ground," he added.

The mayor said communities have a responsibility to provide opportunities for those released from prison, but said having Muncie as the destination for so many out-of-county sex offenders had troubled him.

The Indiana Sex and Violent Offender Registry would make it appear the Old West End — with general boundaries of Franklin Street to the east, White River to the north, Kilgore Avenue to the west and the railroad tracks to the south — still has what many would consider more than its fair share of released sex offenders.

The registry map shows 29 such offenders living in the neighborhood, but the registry's accuracy has been questioned. Offenders are shown living at the addresses at which they most recently registered, and in some cases are listed as still residing there years after they have departed.

The registry still shows nine offenders living at the Powers and Elliott houses. However, at least four of those felons have returned to prison, and three others are apparently the targets of arrest warrants. (The owner of those houses, Calvin Gilliam, at times continued to rent those apartments to offenders who were no longer participating in the "DOC Assist" program.)

The vast majority of offenders listed as living in the Old West End were convicted of sex offenses outside of Delaware County, and in some cases, out of Indiana.

For example, of five offenders listed as living in the same apartment house in the 700 block of West Jackson Street, only one was convicted of a sex crime in Delaware County. The other four were convicted, respectively, in Elkhart, Hamilton and Wayne counties, and Michigan.

Authorities have suggested some felons have settled in the Old West End in part because it for the most part lacks facilities — including schools, parks and daycare centers — that some sex offenders are prohibited from living near.

Risk of Erroneous Deprivation

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By Robert Wolf

The current procedures under the public notification provisions of the law are extremely broad and contain absolutely no safeguards to prevent erroneous deprivations of a registrant’s liberty interests. Without any preliminary determination of whether and to what extent an offender represents a danger to society, the level of danger to the public posed by any particular sex offender, if any, remains unknown. Surely, not all offenders present a significant danger to the public. Yet, the law currently deprives all offenders — including those who present no danger to the community and are not likely to recidivate — of these interests automatically, for life. Therefore, persons convicted of crimes listed under the law who do not pose a significant danger to the community are at substantial risk of being erroneously deprived of their liberty interests.

A weighing of these factors leads us to conclude that, at a minimum, the plaintiff should be entitled to notice and an opportunity to be heard prior to public notification of his status as a sex offender. In other words, the State must allow a registered sex offender a meaningful opportunity to argue that he or she does not represent a threat to the community and that public notification is not necessary, . Because the law provided the plaintiff with neither notice nor an opportunity to be heard in a court room prior to notifying the public of his status as a convicted sex offender Its due process clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken to ensure fairness. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive and procedural rights.

Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction. Th state can not assume guilt and force the defendant to prove his innocence If the reason for the law is to protect against the offenders that pose a high risk to re offend at the present time then the state has a responsibility to the citizenry to prove on an indivisible basis that a person is dangerous. Since the data shows that 85-97% will not re offend it is the states responsibility to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a person falls within that 3-15% before the re-registration and the notification

Replace Sex Offender Registration Scheme

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By Steve Mizera:
Steve A. Mizera, author of How to Abolish Child Sexual Abuse, concluded a three-day book signing in Mesa, Arizona which was attended by 187 Mormon Church Stake Presidents, Bishops and Elders. His book calls for replacing the National Sex Registry database with one that registers only adults who have an academic, spiritual or recreational relationship with minors. This, he wrote, would include teachers and police officers, pastors and church youth group leaders, adult scout leaders and sport coaches.
- We do not agree with ANY online registry, it should be taken offline and used by police only.

Author Mizera cited numerous public records of law enforcement officials who were arrested and convicted in 2013 for child molestation and child pornography. He limited his research to this highly trusted category of professionals to answer the questions who molests children, why and how, where and when. His book is subtitled: Begin by asking is that a Sexual Predator hiding behind that badge?

Mizera also makes recommendations on how child sexual abuse can be abolished. He urges that sex abuse education must begin in the first grade and must be increased every year with age-appropriate information throughout high school. He further calls for holding parents accountable when they could have prevented the sexual abuse through their negligence. He cited a Penn State's Sandusky victim's mother who asked her son on two occasions where his underwear was after the youth had spent overnight in Sandusky's home.

In calling for the replacement of sex offender registration, Mizera presents numerous published papers that argue against the current National Database Registry of previous sex offenders which document the very low recidivism rate, the harm to registrants and their family members, and the incapability of registrants to obtain housing and employment.

Mizera writes that registration of all male adults, who have a professional responsibility in interacting with minors, should include a controversial requirement that a plethysmograph be administered before permitting a professional adult to have a relationship with children under his care. The plethysmograph is a test where a pressure sensitive wire is connected to the registrant's penis while being shown various sexual images. The test is designed to detect sexual deviance. Mizera states that this test would be especially beneficial in vetting candidates for law enforcement.
- The plethysmograph is not full-proof and has issues. In this video it shows that most everybody who took this test would fail. Also, why just register males when females also commit sexual crimes? They also have a test for females.

Registration of adults about to have a professional relationship with children would also include their acknowledgment of the consequences of any future acts sexual abuse such as prison, public humiliation, as well as the loss of family, friends, employment and housing opportunities. Mizera points out that the current cost of registering almost 800,000 persons is prohibitive and such resources could be used instead to implement his recommendations.

The seventy-four year old author argues that his recommendations would focus on prevention of child sexual abuse, rather than relying on the expensive national sex offender registration system which focuses on past offenders whose recidivism rate according to publish FBI reports are in the single-digits.

The book signing was hosted by LDS Books and Art in Mesa, Arizona. Ninety-year old Helen Spencer Schlie, who owns and operates the book store, invited the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints leadership. Two hundred and eleven books were sold over the three-day event. Mizera offers his book from his website:

ALERT: New virus going around that is nasty called CryptoLocker

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The so-called "CryptoLocker virus" is an example of ransomware, a class of malware that, once it has infected a particular computer system, restricts access to that system until the user pays a ransom. CryptoLocker is a particular form of ransomware known as cryptoviral extortion, a scheme in which key files on the system's hard drive are encrypted and thus rendered inaccessible to the user unless and until that user pays a ransom to obtain a key for decrypting the files.

The CryptoLocker worm is generally spread via drive-by downloads or as an attachment to phony e-mails disguised as legitimate messages from various business, such as fake FedEx and UPS tracking notifications. When a user opens such a message, CryptoLocker installs itself on the user's system, scans the hard drive, and encrypts certain file types, such as images, documents and spreadsheets. CryptoLocker then launches a window displaying a demand for ransom (to be paid in less-traceable forms such as Bitcoins and Green Dot Moneypaks) and a countdown timer showing the date and time before which the user must submit payment in order to obtain the decryption key before it is destroyed.

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NC - Double punishment

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By Timothy:
I got out of prison in March, 2013. I spent a lot of tim hunting jobs and getting turned down after I was upfront with them about my crime. The would hire me and then call me a few days later and tell me there was something on my background check or simply not even offer the job. I was able to find a job working in an auto parts store but not before almost becoming homeless. I am still on that route but not as close as before. I am only working part time.

My passion is computers and photography but I can't do either with the laws that restrict me being a registered sex offender. I severed my time and paid my dues it is time for a fresh start in life without the past holding me and others back. I would love to be able to go to the park and take pictures but that could land me back in prison. I am not classified as a predator and why should I be treated like one. I made a mistake in life and paid for it. I like to say that I am a person that committed a sex offense not a sex offender as that would mean that I am currently doing it. I can not even post videos. pictures or anything the the internet as it go against the laws in North Carolina.

I take responsibility for my actions and even successfully completed the S.O.A.R. program in prison for learn why it even happened in the first place. It start as an accident and turned intentional and I regret that it ever happened. My life has been a mess since my wife passed away years before this incident. I even tried to put barriers in place to prevent it in the first place and my effects failed. I wish I could have won that battle but I did not and I am paying for it for the rest of my life now.

I need help, prayers and hope for a better future that I just don't see for myself. I have been talking to a psychologist and have even been suicidal. I just want a better life. I know the victim's life is never going to be the same and perhaps her life will improve without me in it. I could never ask her for forgiveness as that is something she would have to decide for herself.

I paid my debit it is time to move on for me and these laws restrict me so much. No Facebook, Flicker, Youtube, or anything that can be seen as social media is allowed. I have even looked into the age groups of different sites. I used Facebook and other sites in the past for work related to computers but now I can't. Job sites can also not be used because they are considered social media like Linkedin. There maybe others out there also but I would love to work back in computers again. That was my career for 23 years.